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Galileo Galilei to Her Serene Highness, Many Years Ago

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“Some years ago, as Your Serene Highness well knows, I discovered in the heavens many things that had not been seen before in our own age. The novelty of these things, as well as some consequences which followed from them in contradiction to the physical notions commonly held among academic philosophers, stirred up against me no small number of professors — as if I had placed these things in the sky with my own hands in order to upset nature and overturn the sciences. They seemed to forget that the increase of known truths stimulates the investigation, establishment, and growth of the arts; not their diminution or destruction.

Showing a greater fondness for their own opinions than for truth they sought to deny and disprove the new things which, if they had cared to look for themselves, their own senses would have demonstrated to them. To this end they hurled various charges and published numerous writings filled with vain arguments, and they made the grave mistake of sprinkling these with passages taken from places in the Bible which they had failed to understand properly, and which were ill-suited to their purposes.

These men would perhaps not have fallen into such error had they but paid attention to a most useful doctrine of St Augustine’s, relative to our making positive statements about things which are obscure and hard to understand by means of reason alone. Speaking of a certain physical conclusions about heavenly bodies, he wrote: “Now keeping always our respect for moderation in grave piety, we ought not to believe anything inadvisedly on a dubious point, lest in favor to our error we conceive a prejudice against something that truth hereafter may reveal to be not contrary in any way to the sacred books of either the Old or the New Testaments.”…

Persisting in their original resolve to destroy me and everything mine by any means they can think of, these men are aware of my views in astronomy and philosophy. They know that as to the arrangement of the pars of the universe, I hold the sun to be situated motionless in the center of the revolution of the celestial orbs while the earth rotates on its axis and revolves about the sun. They know also that I support this position not only by refuting the arguments of Ptolemy and Aristotle, but by producing many counter-arguments; in particular, some which relate to physical effects whose causes can perhaps be assigned in no other way. In additgion there are astronomical arguments derived from many things in my new celestial discoveries that plainly confute the Ptolemaic system while admirably agreeing with and confirming the contrary hypothesis. Possibly because they are disturbed by the known truth of other propositions of mine which differ from those commonly held, and therefore mistrusting their defense so long as they confine themselves to the field of philosophy, these men have resolved themselves to fabricate a shield for their fallacies out of the mantle of pretended religion and the authority of the Bible. These they apply, with little judgment, to the refutation of arguments that they do not understand and have not even listened to.”

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15 responses

  1. Zeke January 5, 2015 at 8:39 pm
    someone remarked: “Well it doesn’t and that was one of the problems with what Copernicus proposed (not circular orbits and they are around the centre of mass that’s not always in the Sun).”

    Galileo on Copernicus’ work with the Roman Church in correcting the calendar:

    “In order to facilitate their designs, they seek so far as possible (at least with the common people) to make this opinion seem new and to belong to me alone. They pretend not to know that its author, or rather its restorer and confirmer, was Nicholas Copernicus; and that he was not only a Catholic, but a priest and a canon. He was in fact so esteemed by the church that when the Lateran Council under Leo X took up the correction of the church calendar, Copernicus was called to Rome from the most remote parts of Germany to undertake its reform. At that time the calendar was defective because the true measures of the year and of the lunar month were not exactly known. The Bishop of Fossombrone, then in charge of this matter, assigned Copernicus to seek more light and greater certainty concerning the celestial motions by means of constant study and labor. With Herculean toil he set his admirable mind to this task, and he made such great progress in this science and brought our knowledge of the heavenly motions to such precision that he became celebrated as an astronomer. Since that time not only has the calendar been regulated by his teachings, but tables of all the motions of the plantets have been calculated as well.”

    In other words, Copernicus’ theory worked just fine in fine tuning the calendar!

    January 5, 2015 at 10:03 pm

  2. Zeke January 5, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    The Roman Church upheld Aristotle and Ptolemy, as well as other Greek philosophers, as the standard of all scholastic work and knowledge for centuries. Francis Bacon discussed the problem of relying on Greeks, Galileo described it, and so did Leonardo Da Vinci in his Notebooks.

    But what we suffer is the misrepresentation of history, for now it is the Greeks who are given credit for the foundations of the sciences. In fact, as even B. Russell admits, anyone who has ever discovered anything, has had to overturn some Aristotlean doctrine. Not to mention Ptolemy and Galen.

    January 5, 2015 at 10:03 pm

  3. It seems the human nature has not progressed much in 500 years. Sometimes we seem to be stuck in consensus science that does not want to progress. . Albert Einstein said science progresses at the speed old professors die and are replaced with younger ideas. At times I think the younger ones are even more backward then the old ones!..pg.

    October 5, 2015 at 8:10 pm

    • Hello PG, so good to see you. It does seem to be getting nuttier by the day! Can we all just get back to cause and effect?! (:

      You know, if you look at the fact that Europeans stayed in Europe for 15 centuries, neither rounding the tip of Africa nor crossing the Pacific [I mean Atlantic], then you can see the power of a false idea. What kept them from leaving the continent? It was Ptolemy’s Geography.

      October 7, 2015 at 12:59 am

      • Inertia is a powerful thing. The Catholic Church has spent the 15 centuries since becoming the Roman Church in a failed attempt to control the people of the world. A cult that controlled kings and Emperors, playing one against another in attempt to gather political power and wealth.
        This game of Thrones has destroyed far too many lives and slowed human progress. Today it is Muslims that are pursuing the same agenda against the human race.
        The Divine will of their god is that humans should be willing slaves to the rulers selected by god. They are the Ruling Elite of ( name your cult) gods messengers. Time to eradicate the Warlords and their priests. We don’t need them! GOD does not speak though them, they follow the prince of darkness and hate the human race. Their god wants suffering, slavery and death for humanity…pg

        November 8, 2015 at 7:13 pm

  4. You know pg, the same technology that allowed all of them to locate each other and to plot and scheme against our lives also allowed all of us to find each other and to communicate together.

    I have had such a wonderful life, and part of that was because I was able to talk to people all over the world about science and events, and sometimes spiritual matters. It has been such an amazing experience. I am so thankful to have (in writing) known all of you over the years. I don’t like small talk at all. I am not only terrible at it, but I feel like I know someone less afterwards. However online there are people who will talk about ideas and about how things work. I just love it! And look at how completely different in age, country, philosophies, and employments we all are. It surely was a gift.

    Now back to these so-called elites. They are bad. I read through the Psalms each year and their activities and thoughts are all written there. All that they do is totally opposed to the Divine and in hatred of people.

    There is very little restraining the evil that they will. What restrains them is the Spirit of Truth in the world, and the simple lives and families who are in sincere good, truth and light. Only Y’shua knows who they are. When these are taken away, the evil will have no restraint. When that which is restraining is removed, events will move quickly.

    There will be a man who will make an agreement with Israel so that they will be able to build the Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. That is where the Al Aqs— Mosq– is right now. For three and a half years this agreement will be kept, but then he will enter the Temple and declare himself a god, or God, or the Messiah. He will be a rank and pompous liar. But people will be under a very very strong delusion, and he will also show signs. It is not too incredible. It appears that people will believe anything now, because they have abandoned all logical, rational, or spiritual checks.

    He will also cause every one to receive a mark on the forehead or on the right hand. If anyone does not receive this mark, he will not be able to buy or sell anything. And those who refuse this mark will be killed. Those who newly believe in Y’shua will refuse the mark.

    When judgments begin, first will be loosed the conquerer, who will invade many countries. Then peace will be taken, and people will kill each other. Then will come dirth and famine, and food will cost an entire day’s wages. Then will come more trouble and death by sword and famine and beasts (therion), so that a fourth of the people will die. Therion are “wild beasts” but that word can also mean men who are like wild beasts or animals, without pity or remorse ever.

    Then will come a very great earthquake and a darkening of the sun and moon. Beyond this I will leave off. These are all future events and I believe it is very very soon, “At the door.”

    November 8, 2015 at 8:17 pm

  5. Any way I enjoyed your thoughts. I think a lot of people realize something is going on, and they are right to call it “luciferian,” because that sums up the “elite” you speak of. They really are bad. They will use drugs on people to control them.

    And they do think they are gods. But they “will die like men.” Their luxury bunkers will not save them — far from it.

    November 8, 2015 at 8:23 pm

  6. @Zeke; The foundations of the Temple still exist! Between the mosque and Church is a grove of trees behind the wailing wall. They were planted in the fill material that the Romans used to level the area that they covered with their temple after they plundered and destroyed the Jewish temple. The Christians and then Muslims removed the stones of the Roman temple and surface cladding for their constructs on the Mount. These foundations can be seen in satellite ground penetration pictures. So far the Muslims and the Israeli government have prevented any ground based research in that area.

    The “luciferans” that follow the Black Prince or prince of death and destruction are being gathered into one place so that the people of the world can unite to destroy them. Soon, but not quite yet. Muslim prophecy is that they must destroy THEIR WORLD first before the 12th Imam will teach them their new way of peace. “The 12th Imam walks with Jesus”. Until that time the Christians will be sorely pressed. All the world will seem to be against them. Even the Roman Church. We are in the middle of this coming to pass. Interesting times we live in, for sure! …pg

    December 26, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    • Well speaking of rebuilding the temple, when I was in Israel there was a lot of racket in various places from the jack hammers and quarrying, so that it was hard to hear the lectures at various geological and archaeological sites.

      When I asked what they were constructing, they answered, “Oh, they’re just digging graves.”

      Now 20 years later I suddenly remember that remark!

      As you may know PG, the temple must be built without the sound of a tool. Solomon had all of the stones cut before they were brought to the temple mount. They simply put them into place and all fit together perfectly. This is related in 1 Kings 6:7: “And the temple, when it was being built, was built with stone finished at the quarry, so that no hammer or chisel or any iron tool was heard in the temple while it was being built.”

      I realize that this is only anecdotal. But I think the stones are probably already quarried, cut, and ready to be assembled on the mount, as soon as a deal can be brokered.

      And I found this:
      Report: Vatican Presses for Control of Mount Zion
      israeltoday.co.il
      Negotiations aimed at giving Catholic Church control of Mount Zion are reportedly advancing ahead of Pope’s visit

      That Jes’it from Argentina has very cozy relations with Islamists in the area, and it may be that he will indeed broker an agreement so that the Jewish temple can be built on Mt. Zion. He may not do so, but I will say that Protestants have long taught that Popes are anti-Christs. The person who signs the seven-year agreement with Israel will be the anti-Christ. He will break the agreement and then enter the temple and say he is Lord.

      January 4, 2016 at 6:24 pm

      • @Zeke, while I have not heard of any negotiations over control over Mount Zion with the Catholic Church, the story of prefabbing the new Temple I have heard of. The story that I heard was that American Christian Churches have championed and financed this effort, Somehow I doubt that the Roman Church is involved…pg

        January 20, 2016 at 6:32 pm

  7. @Zeke; A good New Year for you!
    We are now in the time of endings and beginnings as the old ways are losing their hold and the new ways are ascendant.
    Protect your family as the false economy is demonstrate for what it is, The coming year will not be prosperous for most.
    We live in interesting times :-) might as well grin and enjoy what you have…pg

    January 1, 2016 at 3:59 pm

    • Thank you PG, and a very good New Year to you as well.

      I don’t get to use the computer much these days and wanted to write back sooner!

      Yes, it is time to focus on the most important things in life. (:

      Nice to see you.

      January 4, 2016 at 6:28 pm

  8. Zeke; If you wish to continue the topic that I broached at “Tallbloke’s”. Email me or comment at my blog and I will Email back…pg

    December 9, 2016 at 2:09 pm

    • No I don’t. Can we please please talk about something else? Good to see you PG!

      December 9, 2016 at 2:16 pm

    • For the record, here is my position on the use of cannabis.

      Come to the Rock, You Don’t Have to Get Stoned Anymore
      Dennis Agajanian

      dur. @2 min

      December 12, 2016 at 5:55 pm

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