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The Gift of Fire to Mankind: A Mythical Study on the Spiritual Significance of Coal, Part 7

Introduction:  According to native myths and legends found the world over, there was a time when man did not possess fire. In these legends fire is remembered and celebrated as a divine gift. It is given by the respective gods of the peoples to lift them from their primitive state.

But within the myths, there is also great hostility and opposition to fire and the prosperity it brought to mankind. Sometimes it had to be stolen from vain or hoarding Spirits.

In our modern times there is a great hostility towards the combustion of hydrocarbons, and in particular towards coal, which burns much more efficiently and hotter than wood. European countries have committed to carbon dioxide emissions reductions agreements which legally bind them to get 80% of their electricity from renewables by 2050. Many of the so-called “renewables” never overtly use combustion – while behind the scenes they are intermittent, and require an uninterrupted power source like a coal or gas power plant. Should the people of the world be convinced that fire is now harmful for the planet, and must be regulated and taken from them? Or is fire a divine blessing which is foundational to all cultures? And isn’t it interesting that so many of the wise stories of old included the warning that some of the powers wished to suppress or deny this sacred gift of fire, and prevent it from benefitting mankind?

We have looked at myths from several continents, and are now surveying the legends of the North American Indians.

The Theft of Fire

“Long ago, in the beginning, people had only stones for fire. In the beginning everyone only had that sort of firestone. ‘Do you hear? There is fire over there. Where Pain lives, there is fire.’ So Coyote went, and came to the house where Pain lived. The children were at home, but all the old people were away, driving game with fire. They told their children, ‘If anyone comes, it will be Coyote.’

Coyote went into the house. ‘Oh you poor children! Are you all alone here?’ said he.

‘Yes we are all alone. They told us they were all going hunting. If anyone comes it will be Coyote. I think you are Coyote,’ they said.

‘I am not Coyote,’ he said. ‘Look…way back there is Coyote country. There are none here.’ Coyote stretched his feet out towards the fire, with his long blanket in which he had run away. ‘No, you smell like Coyote,’ said the children. ‘No, there are none about here,’ he said.

Now, his blanket began to burn, and he was ready to run. He cried to Chicken-Hawk, ‘You stand there! I will run there with the fire. I will give it to you, and then you run on. Eagle, do you stand there! Grouse, do you stand there! Quail, do you stand there!’ Turtle alone did not know about it. He was walking along by the river. Now, Coyote ran out of the house; he stole Pain’s fire. He seized it and ran with it. Pain’s children ran after him…[A chase ensues in which the fire changes hands between many creatures, and then is given to Turtle, who is shot at by the Pains and dives deep in the water with it. The Pains gave up, and Coyote was very angry because he thought the fire was extinguished. Turtle in the end emerged, telling Coyote, “You keep quiet!” – and “threw the fire all about.”]

Now everybody came and got fire. Now we have got fire. Coyote was the first to get it, at Pain’s that way. That is all. That is one story.”

~Edited and Compiled by Jarold Ramsey

How Coyote Stole Fire, additional story: http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/How_Coyote_Stole_Fire-Shasta.html

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9 responses

  1. @Zeke, looks like you are improving your game. I wandered through your creation here and can see a marked change from the start to this post.

    Interesting thread about the legends about the gift of fire to men. Strange that the humans have the Idea that it was stolen. Bad Humans, bad bad humans! Must be punished!( bs, bs, bs,) say the priests.

    Actually the wise old wizard ” Coy Yote’ ” learned the secrets of fire and shared them with all. Now another wise wizard ” Rossi” has discovered the secret of how GOD powers the universe and wishes to give it to mankind. I wonder what the legends will say about that in say,10,000 years. 8-) pg

    February 2, 2012 at 4:11 am

  2. The legends will say that Coyote Rossi brought cold fusion to every hogan, but Big Wind tried to blow him away and Zeus caused him to loose his retirement fund, home, and reputation.

    Ahurman the liar especially used all his powers and servants to convince the people LENR was dangerous and would kill them, and caused the EPA to outlaw the cold fusion fires. He tried in vain to find the place where the E-cats were made, so that he could send gremlins into the production, but they could not find him because Michael the Archangel hid him in the wilderness for a time, times, and half a time. ;)

    Anyway! :) I was honored to have a link on your blog!

    February 2, 2012 at 9:22 pm

  3. What else could I do! You have been entertaining and enlightening me for over a year. If you wish, use the above comment to plug your blog on the Rossi thread at my place. pg

    February 7, 2012 at 5:44 pm

  4. @PG _ Thanks PG.

    I am delighted you started up a site where there are interesting topics, and we don’t have to be so dreadfully on topic!

    Although, I am not sure friends should argue about neutrinos. Too small.
    (Some would say, smaller than a hydrogen proton.) ;) :D

    February 7, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    • One can not learn with a closed mine. Although a tidy mind prefers things to be On Thread, it is not the end of the world if things are not. Correct spelling and punctuation are optional as well. pg

      February 10, 2012 at 8:19 am

  5. To me a neutrino is the same as an electron or photon, It is just a quanta with very little spin, so nearly no EMF signature to effect other things as it carries almost no charge, mass or inertia. A proton is 1828 times more massive then an electron, As to size, I’m not sure that you can measure the size of an electron as it is too small to measure and if you stop all of its’ motion to measure it, it ceases to exist. So it is kind of like it doesn’t exist as a thing but more like a signal. A neutrino is almost no signal at all. A speck of aether, traveling at the speed of light, (or more) that almost is not there. SEE http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580 8-) pg

    February 10, 2012 at 8:05 am

  6. Ah, thank you PG, that is very clear.

    As you know, the topic of aether comes up once in a while on WUWT. I think NASA was describing the effect of earth on “space-time” as being like a sphere dragging honey. Heh heh. So it comes back to the question of aether, and how it can be observed, and how it is effected by earth as it passes through the medium, or how it interferes with light from various angles.

    One WUWT comment mentioned that many of the ancient religions included aether as one of the elements. That includes the Greeks, Romans, Hindus, etc.. There was earth, air, fire, water, and aether. Here is an example:

    “Aether (also Æthere, Ancient Greek: Αἰθήρ, pronounced [ajtʰɛ̌ːr]), in Greek mythology, is one of the Protogenoi, the first-born elementals. He is the personification of the upper sky, space, and heaven, and is the elemental god of the “Bright, Glowing, Upper Air.” He is the pure upper air that the gods breathe, as opposed to the normal air (Ἀήρ, aer) that mortals breathe.”

    So there is another dimension to the discussion, which you have mentioned several times. The aether is possibly effected by our own emanations, frequencies, and radiation, which humans generate all of the time. I mean that in a very physical sense.

    February 11, 2012 at 1:58 am

  7. And regarding the atom being composed of mostly space, and not rigid, I had the pleasure of attending a seminar about Ruđer Bošković. Apparently he does not receive much mention in the physics books, but he laid the foundations for that atomic theory.

    Nikola Tesla also said that he thought Einstein’s relativity had already been written about by Boskovic 200 years before. I enjoyed the seminar, but have not gotten a chance to read any of his writings. I think many have not even been translated into English.

    February 11, 2012 at 2:18 am

  8. HI Zeke; “I think NASA was describing the effect of earth on “space-time” as being like a sphere dragging honey. ” A fairly good visual description, to me! My reading of Albert Einsteins’ writings was that he sort of understood the workings of relativity but did not originate the concept. In fact he did not accept the ramifications of it in total thinking of physics theory. pg

    February 14, 2012 at 3:39 am

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